How
Participation in a CoP
Informs and Influences Personal Teaching?
Why I Joined Webheads in Action?
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My
First On-line Conference, Using YMessenger Tools! Wednesday, Februray 12th, 2003 |
Dafne 
and
I 
met for a scheduled
meeting at Yahoo Messenger to discuss some issues in prperation for Week
5.While we were waiting for Arlyn 
,
Rita 
and Aiden 
,
Dafne asked me to invite them to a YM conference. Wehn I was on my way to
invite the participants for a conference, I was whistling pretending cool,
as it was my first time to practice this skill. (Sometimes, we think we
know how to use or do something theoretically, however, we always forget a
main issue , that is the gap between the theory and practice!This experience
of practicing inviting particpants for a conference, was an eye opener.I
realized that no matter how easy we think a skill is, we must practice it
to know how it works.Then, I met Aiden:and I told her Dafne and Iwere
waiting for them, and that I will have to call for a conference and invite
everyone. She said all right, and the three of us met and held a very efficient,
successful, virtual conference.Arlyn and Rita couldn't attend.
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The Chatlog dygonza: hi there esl_efl_ku: wow, this neat esl_efl_ku: hello all aidenyeh: hi, have you heard from Rita? dygonza: not at all aidenyeh: this is cool, Buth esl_efl_ku: yes indeed aidenyeh: what about Arlyn? dygonza: hope I do not have problems with connections YM has been quite weird this week aidenyeh: my messages to Arlyn all bounced dygonza: neither dygonza: because you had the wrong address,Aiden dygonza: there was and "l" missing at the end aidenyeh: yes, dygonza: it happened to me, then I fixed the address dygonza: but she has not answered aidenyeh: but i tried twice with the 'l' esl_efl_ku: yes, this happend to me too once Aiden dygonza: well, we will send them the chatlog esl_efl_ku: what is the "I" plz? dygonza: L aidenyeh: cool aidenyeh: how should we begin week 5> dygonza: at the end of her e-mail ID aidenyeh: i Like Daf's portal page and the first paragraph that you wrote aidenyeh: we could use that dygonza: I though we could post our answers to Scott dygonza: then what you said about inviting people to send their pages aidenyeh: yes, that's a good starting point dygonza: or reflections on what they have done esl_efl_ku: btw, esl_efl_ku: i found that i have flagged Scott and Arnold's comments messages for follow up dygonza: yes, Buth esl_efl_ku: for week 5 earlier esl_efl_ku: and yes esl_efl_ku: i agree that it is a good start dygonza: I think Scott's qustions are a good start esl_efl_ku: especially that my focus is on this problem aidenyeh: in our case, we could post our mini abstracts, in relation to scott's questions Bact to Top dygonza: I like your pre and post webheads pages, buth esl_efl_ku: i'm still struggling with issue , but got much better laly.. esl_efl_ku: thanks Daf.. dygonza: yes, they are already on the page, we could expand, at leat me dygonza: I had no previous experience with the web before webheads esl_efl_ku: i like and admire your use of the web tools dygonza: so I would hve to have a black page esl_efl_ku: and your amazing speed on everything so far aidenyeh: black page? dygonza: blank, I mean dygonza: that would be a good idea aidenyeh: blank page for? dygonza: for my pre- webheads period on using web tools aidenyeh: to present- no experience dygonza: yes aidenyeh: got it, aidenyeh: cool dygonza: only a title with my experience with web tools before joining webheads dygonza: and only question marks all around dygonza: what do you think? esl_efl_ku: this sound good Daf esl_efl_ku: what about you Aiden? aidenyeh: clear meaning, esl_efl_ku: Any experiences page prioir to WIa dygonza: maybe with mouse over effects on each question mark where I ask questions related to online teaching and learning aidenyeh: prior to webheads, I was moderating an online session (evonline) but the theme was different esl_efl_ku: oopss, soory esl_efl_ku: one of the experts aidenyeh: I however, got involved with webheads because Vance was always the one who replied to my queries posted on evonline aidenyeh: no, not really, But aidenyeh: Buth dygonza: the importance of feedback for motivation esl_efl_ku: waht do you mean by "not really?? esl_efl_ku: I love feedback, Daf aidenyeh: not really that high tech or what you would call computer savvy Bact to Top esl_efl_ku: and I think it is crucial for this area aidenyeh: likfe you and Daf, I learned by doing esl_efl_ku: especially for novice teachers like me dygonza: yes, Vance is the perfect model to follow aidenyeh: that's what i did aidenyeh: and applied what I've learned from evonline and vance in my teaching esl_efl_ku: Got you Aiden, an this is what I like about our Cop dygonza: you know, I jumped form having done nothing to designing and moderating my own online course esl_efl_ku: where the experts and the trainees melt in a pot esl_efl_ku: Yes, i know Daf, and this is why i think you are amazing dygonza: and it was not difficult, I just followed on VAnce's modelling esl_efl_ku: you are a genius, Daf aidenyeh: the point that I would like to raise is it worthwhile for non-native speakers teachers of english to be engaged in such a commun ity and why? dygonza: comm'n Buth esl_efl_ku: yes, and this is what I didn't do from the begiining and put myself in a terrible situation dygonza: of course my previous experience in f2f teaching, and my methodology helped a lot aidenyeh: remember Nigel saying "it's time consuming" esl_efl_ku: the step by step approach is effective dygonza: it indeed is dygonza: but planning f2f is also time consuming dygonza: it all depends on your approach esl_efl_ku: that's why i tried to start all over again (the 7 weeks) during ummer esl_efl_ku: and still in the process dygonza: I like what you are doing Buth dygonza: we are all in the process dygonza: I love Aiden's projects dygonza: especially your work with listening, Aiden dygonza: I need to learn about using songs esl_efl_ku: Yes, indeed Aiden's work in that area is brilliant aidenyeh: I need to check my pages and for links dygonza: putting up pages with audio is something I need to get involved in dygonza: I need to know what page do you want to link from your name on our first week 5 page, Aiden esl_efl_ku: I tI think I had linked once Aiden's work somewhere in my page aidenyeh: are you referring to Micahel's or the favorite songs video esl_efl_ku: but becuase I sytarted all over again, esl_efl_ku: I will find a better way of linking it now dygonza: I have all your listening pages saved for future references, Aiden aidenyeh: i'll give you details (urls ) tmorrow dygonza: thanks, Aiden dygonza: ok, back to week 5 esl_efl_ku: I can't remebr Aiden, toomany info. lately blocked my mind Bact to Top dygonza: lol esl_efl_ku: I will find the page and send you it to you aidenyeh: 1) start off with scott's question esl_efl_ku: yes esl_efl_ku: I'm like Mr. Bean remeber dygonza: 2. ask for pages or work done esl_efl_ku: this is what my kids say aidenyeh: 2) our experiences using daf's portal + we could expand aidenyeh: that's would be three daf dygonza: ok dygonza: 3. ask for pages and work done aidenyeh: 4) aidenyeh: ? esl_efl_ku: What about personal reflection esl_efl_ku: I like your self-evaluation Daf.. aidenyeh: remember, I'd like to point the relevance of this CoP to NNS this could wait till the very last days dygonza: that would be in our reports esl_efl_ku: the page including the table I would like to adapt dygonza: why don't we set some chats with issues dygonza: like that of NN-NN dygonza: I mean NN-N esl_efl_ku: yes esl_efl_ku: this is good esl_efl_ku: but how esl_efl_ku: oopss.sorry,,Chat dygonza: maybe write a short abstract inviting people esl_efl_ku: yes..okay aidenyeh: issues, such as? dygonza: the one Aiden has in mind dygonza: non-native vs native speakers dygonza: in teaching, I mean esl_efl_ku: yes, Aiden there is an IS on this issue dygonza: and Aiden will be the speaker esl_efl_ku: Ijoined it once esl_efl_ku: but didn't continue..was not interesting enough dygonza: Aiden is the expert on this topic dygonza: Aiden, are you there aidenyeh: yes, am listening dygonza: what do you think about the idea? aidenyeh: don't you think it's a bit heavy foir the middle of next week? dygonza: I don't know aidenyeh: LOL esl_efl_ku: dygonza: today we had a very nice discussion about CoP's at TI esl_efl_ku: I think it a hot topic aidenyeh: do you have an idea of what Rita wants to present dygonza: no aidenyeh: it is Buth, aidenyeh: but we have to consider the flow of topics dygonza: very interesting in a community where most of us are non-native aidenyeh: so far, we're stuck with 4, this would mean Wed or Thursday next week aidenyeh: yes, true daf dygonza: let's make it by days dygonza: monday: answer to Scott's questions aidenyeh: 1- monday scott's question dygonza: lol aidenyeh: we're in the same frequency dygonza: that would be 5 messages 1 from each of us dygonza: to start with dygonza: we could end our answers with our own questions to the audience Bact to Top dygonza: what was the second point? dygonza: for tuesday esl_efl_ku: experiences using your portalDa esl_efl_ku: I mean your portal Daf dygonza: you mean, my online architecture course? dygonza: or what? aidenyeh: portal for week 5 esl_efl_ku: yes dygonza: ah , my pre- andpost webhead? aidenyeh: ok, so 2-Tuesday experiences before and after aidenyeh: plus our own pages dygonza: fine aidenyeh: and we'll ask them to share with us their own pages aidenyeh: what if there's no onw aidenyeh: one dygonza: I am sure there will be at least on aidenyeh: tere? aidenyeh: LOL dygonza: Tere and Sus esl_efl_ku: common guys, be optimistic.. aidenyeh: or sus? dygonza: maybe Chris aidenyeh: LOL esl_efl_ku: I'm sure many will like it esl_efl_ku: especially that we have many nebies latelaly aidenyeh: seriously dygonza: I will encourage Maria to post something dygonza: and Arnold too aidenyeh: arnold esl_efl_ku: I'm sure I will be ther LOL dygonza: we chat a lot frequently dygonza: that would take us 2 days dygonza: tuesday and wednesday aidenyeh: ok, that's two- experiences- before and after webpages aidenyeh: thrusday? 3- dygonza: so, for Thursday we plan the Nn-N chat with our guest speaker,Aiden aidenyeh: sounds scary dygonza: no, you have a lot of materials dygonza: and things to share aidenyeh: the feeling, i mean dygonza: we can start inviting since Tuesday, with a nice and enticing invitation aidenyeh: Thursday, chat but could be followed up by posting messages esl_efl_ku: You mean before and after webheads or webpages,Aiden dygonza: right aidenyeh: the invitation would coome in as a question to the members? aidenyeh: after webpages, so NS-NNS will be oin Thursday esl_efl_ku: okay.. dygonza: monday: scott's questions, tuesday and Wed. pre- and post webheads and asking participants to share their pages dygonza: thursday chat with aiden with post chat comments to list aidenyeh: friday? dygonza: that would go for thursday and friday aidenyeh: remember, some of these topic might overlap on some days dygonza: sure they will dygonza: and Saturday and Sunday wrap up chats at Tapped In at the usual time Bact to Top dygonza: I think we have enough esl_efl_ku: A question: dygonza: other sub-topics will show up along the way aidenyeh: we could stretch the main topics aidenyeh: yes, besides esl_efl_ku: okay, aidenyeh: arlyn's and rita's abstrat are on the portal page dygonza: I will try to join when you guys have your chats dygonza: yes, they are aidenyeh: so that would fall on Mon- - Wed dygonza: yes aidenyeh: Thursday chat would be dygonza: I think we have a lot of things to share, there are 5 of us here dygonza: I will post the week syllabus on our activities page aidenyeh: anytime in the afternoon (Taiwan time) aidenyeh: or evening regular webhead time? dygonza: GMT? aidenyeh: but that would exclude some, esp those in the US aidenyeh: that would be an hour and half chat time dygonza: Aiden, what about creating an invitation to the chat using one of this card creators online, like yahoo, hallmark, or whatever dygonza: great, Aiden, 90 min. sounds very good aidenyeh: cool dygonza: that card will give a speacial touch to the chat dygonza: more personal, and enticing aidenyeh: yes aidenyeh: will create it this weekend dygonza: we can also set the yahoo calendar to remind of the chat aidenyeh: great dygonza: we could also use the calendar to remind of Saturday and Sunday usual webheads chats aidenyeh: ok, let's do it aidenyeh: wait, i'll write everything down dygonza: so, what we have to do is work on our individual tasks dygonza: it is going to be in the chatlog, Aiden aidenyeh: update webpages, before and after dygonza: answer scott's questions aidenyeh: no, write in my notebook (it's a bad habit) dygonza: ok dygonza: a good one aidenyeh: yes dygonza: we have to write a kick off message for the week dygonza: what about one, signed by all of us? dygonza: and one, indicating the url to the week 5 web page and explaining what they will find there Bact to Top aidenyeh: ok, aidenyeh: email format ? dygonza: yes dygonza: I think it is better to write 2 separate messages, welcoming and instructions, so people do not get mixed up dygonza: the subject of the messages will clearly indicate what the message is about for further reference aidenyeh: i like the first paragraph you wrote in your portal page dygonza: shall we use it for the welcoming message? aidenyeh: i've got no objections dygonza: Buth? esl_efl_ku: either me dygonza: ok, done then dygonza: I will take care of it dygonza: I will send it Sunday evening aidenyeh: good dygonza: I will indicate that another message is following with instrucctions for the week aidenyeh: and will be posted on Monday dygonza: that message with instructions could be also posted in our week 5 folder in yahoo group aidenyeh: or will it be too late/ dygonza: Sunday evening too aidenyeh: ok, folder is a good idea dygonza: so we will be all set for monday aidenyeh: ok esl_efl_ku: yes, sounds excellent dygonza: then on monday each of us will answer Scott's questions dygonza: and of course, answer the postings from other members esl_efl_ku: are our answers going to be in messages? aidenyeh: yes dygonza: yes dygonza: lol esl_efl_ku: aidenyeh: ok esl_efl_ku: no, listen guys, i was thinking about Daf's world map esl_efl_ku: and the way i added to the activity dygonza: then between tue. and wed. we will talk about our pre and ppost webheads experiencies aidenyeh: is there anything else aidenyeh: yes dygonza: with references to our webpages dygonza: on tuesday we will issue the invitation to the chat dygonza: which we will prepare on Sunday dygonza: then Thursday the chat, time? dygonza: the time? aidenyeh: 12-:1:30 GMT dygonza: ok dygonza: Friday answering posts from partipants dygonza: and Saturday and Sunday meeting with webheads at the usual time at TI dygonza: that's it dygonza: any other aspect that I am missing? esl_efl_ku: Daf are you goint to inform Arlyne and Rita? Bact to Top dygonza: yes, I will send this log to them aidenyeh: buth< what about the map? esl_efl_ku: okay esl_efl_ku: The map dygonza: tell me us about the map idea, Buth esl_efl_ku: oh, actually i used Daf's Spanish Paella aidenyeh: ok, then should this wrap up our meeting? esl_efl_ku: and would like to modify the activity usding the world map of cooking lessons by Daf dygonza: great, Buth esl_efl_ku: but my question is aidenyeh: if there's anything else not mentioned or new, then just send an email aidenyeh: ok aidenyeh: listening esl_efl_ku: wher can this page go? dygonza: which one, Buth dygonza: the map? esl_efl_ku: I mean for chat discuson or on tuesdays' discusiions dygonza: you include it in the mail you send to the group esl_efl_ku: okay dygonza: you can also use it in the chat to show people and talk about it esl_efl_ku: one more thing Daf and Aiden, plz dygonza: you can say so in your message so people will be interested in joining you in your chat esl_efl_ku: about the chat schedule dygonza: yes, you have confirmed one hour esl_efl_ku: what is it exactly i am supose t do there aidenyeh: what do you think? dygonza: just be there, at yahoo or tapped in esl_efl_ku: i mean during those day on the schedule i posted to you Daf dygonza: and talk to the people, esl_efl_ku: are you going to be there too/ dygonza: about your projects what you have learned, expand on your ideas, and ask those people to share theirs dygonza: yes, I will do my best to join all the chats that week aidenyeh: i've got to go, if there's anyhing that i'd be missing please advise by email esl_efl_ku: thanks, as i'm already nervous.. dygonza: ok, Aiden I think this is all aidenyeh: don't be dygonza: we will see each other on Sunday at the usual time esl_efl_ku: Aiden, one thing aidenyeh: this would be a cool experience aidenyeh: yes.. dygonza: if questions, just let's e-mail each other esl_efl_ku: I would like to comment on your comment on the top oif this log Bact to Top aidenyeh: sure, dygonza: I am already excited aidenyeh: what about/ aidenyeh: me too aidenyeh: it's too long to scroll esl_efl_ku: Well , the good thing for teachers like me esl_efl_ku: i mean novice esl_efl_ku: ones esl_efl_ku: is that in WIA we have both kind expets esl_efl_ku: those like Vance who got it all esl_efl_ku: i mean the conventuiional teaching (f2f) esl_efl_ku: and like you too Aiden esl_efl_ku: in addition to those like Daf esl_efl_ku: qho has the conventional f2f one esl_efl_ku: and are showing us how it helped her produce and creatre greta proahes for the vertual teachings esl_efl_ku: sorry about the long chat dygonza: that's what a CoP is like aidenyeh: that's alright esl_efl_ku: it's really a Melting Pot esl_efl_ku: of both or all kind of people aidenyeh: i think that's what week 5 is about esl_efl_ku: that's why 'm excited too dygonza: right, Aid esl_efl_ku: I love guys aidenyeh: showing people who haven't tried how we did it esl_efl_ku: i'm really blessed to have met you and wish to meet with you f2f one day aidenyeh: so they will try to dygonza: and then they will show others aidenyeh: one day.... Buth... one day aidenyeh: trickle down effect esl_efl_ku: I meant above: I love you guys aidenyeh: in marketing-applies here too dygonza: our stories reporting our findings and reflections are fundamental in the learning process that takes place in our community aidenyeh: family time is calling aidenyeh: i need to tuck in my kids dygonza: because they are done with loving care aidenyeh: exactly dygonza: I have to do some shopping too aidenyeh: i couldn't have said better esl_efl_ku: sure Aide, and say hello to hubby, hope he is better now. Bact to Top aidenyeh: good for you aidenyeh: he's ok, it's my f-i-l dygonza: nice chat, very fruitful aidenyeh: indeed esl_efl_ku: f-i-l ??/ esl_efl_ku: is who? dygonza: bye Aiden dygonza: father in law esl_efl_ku: oh, sorry esl_efl_ku: Aiden.. esl_efl_ku: tod you>. dygonza: bye guys esl_efl_ku: bye dygonza: bye, Buth, write if questions esl_efl_ku: and thank you aidenyeh: thanks you too esl_efl_ku: okay thanks Daf aidenyeh: adios dygonza: adios esl_efl_ku: adios amigo Yahoo! Messenger: aidenyeh has left the conference esl_efl_ku: sorry just playing ..Daf dygonza: it's ok dygonza: I was just copying the log to send to Rita and Ayden dygonza: I mean Arlyn dygonza: it's done esl_efl_ku: okay, do you just copy and paste in WP dygonza: yes, I did esl_efl_ku: hmmm dygonza: a big kiss and hug for you, Buth esl_efl_ku: you too Daf esl_efl_ku: by the way, I said I love you esl_efl_ku: but i don't know if this is acceptab;le in your culture dygonza: me too, you are very dear for me dygonza: yes, it is esl_efl_ku: okay esl_efl_ku: some don't like it esl_efl_ku: take care and have a nice day dygonza: yes, I know, but we latin peoplea re very affectionate esl_efl_ku: have to go follow the news esl_efl_ku: d see what Bin Ladin has more to say esl_efl_ku: with other Leaders of our crazy world dygonza: bye have a great day, or evening??? |